Which celebrity do you believe is or was a true psychopath?

Posted by Arica Deslauriers on Sunday, May 19, 2024

Can switch it on and off, no true remorse, wears the veneer of a human being to assimilate & assess the people around them...

Tom Cruise owns this thread to me. Didn’t Nicole Kidman say once he was completely different once he left people, his whole demeanour & face changed? That’s scary.

by Anonymousreply 127June 18, 2018 3:58 PM

[quote]Can switch it on and off, no true remorse, wears the veneer of a human being to assimilate & assess the people around them...

That sounds just like our president.

by Anonymousreply 2February 3, 2018 8:27 PM

Second for Tom Cruise. He's a whole ton of crazy barely restrained behind a sane, "nice guy" facade. I'd love to hear Katie's story.

by Anonymousreply 3February 3, 2018 8:27 PM

I agree about Tom Cruise and as crazy as Charlie Sheen seems to be, I believe he is that crazy and I believe he could have murdered one of his hookers, just to see if he could get away with it. He is a sociopath, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 4February 3, 2018 8:28 PM

Where did that quote come from R2?

by Anonymousreply 5February 3, 2018 8:28 PM

Based on what we've heard about him in the last few months, this sounds like it exactly describes Kevin Spacey.

by Anonymousreply 7February 3, 2018 8:34 PM

Trump, OJ, Michael Jackson, Spacey, Weinstein, Spector, Robert Blake, Sheen, Jeremy Piven

by Anonymousreply 8February 3, 2018 9:18 PM

Frank Sinatra was cruel and unpredictable. He burned bridges with everyone in his life eventually.

by Anonymousreply 9February 3, 2018 9:28 PM

Madonna. Everything I’ve heard says she’s an ass. Have you ever heard of her being vulnerable or nice? Never!

by Anonymousreply 13February 3, 2018 9:39 PM

Madge is a narcissist.

Trump is a malignant narcissist.

I think Julia Roberts brother is a psychopath.

by Anonymousreply 14February 3, 2018 9:43 PM

Madonna is a narcissist and a bit of a sociopath. She uses people and then throws them in the trash.

by Anonymousreply 15February 3, 2018 9:56 PM

Sinatra was probably bipolar, not a sociopath. He had love for his family.

by Anonymousreply 16February 3, 2018 10:02 PM

Mia Farrow. See the Valentine's Card she sent to Woody after she discovered his affair. That's a real knife.

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by Anonymousreply 17February 3, 2018 10:06 PM

Surprisingly there were a number of people whom Sinatra had worked with who had great affection for him after his death.

But then there were those who thought he was the meanest jerk ever.

by Anonymousreply 20February 3, 2018 10:17 PM

You can’t be a bit of a sociopath r15, someone either is or isn’t.

by Anonymousreply 21February 3, 2018 10:20 PM

Everybody in my family is. Really. We're italian.

Which means of course I am too. Though for the most part I do try to keep a lid on it.

How successful I am is for others to decide.

by Anonymousreply 23February 3, 2018 10:34 PM

Reese Witherspoon after that video leaked

by Anonymousreply 27February 3, 2018 10:46 PM

R27 doncha know who i am?

by Anonymousreply 28February 3, 2018 10:48 PM

Director David O. Russell

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by Anonymousreply 30February 3, 2018 10:56 PM

[quote]You can’t be a bit of a sociopath [R15], someone either is or isn’t.

Actually, that's not true.

You can be diagnosed with having sociopathic tendencies but not be a full-fledged sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 33February 3, 2018 11:08 PM

I don't think Madonna fits as a psychopath. She may not be very emotional or empathetic but I don't think she gets off on others suffering, I think she's just apathetic to it. She is about herself 100% and isn't going to lose any sleep if someone gets crushed on her way to what she wants - but she isn't actively seeking people to fuck with or torture just for her enjoyment.

by Anonymousreply 34February 3, 2018 11:10 PM

A psychopath, R34, doesn't need to see other people suffering. They just have no empathy and no remorse.

by Anonymousreply 36February 3, 2018 11:11 PM

Rose McGowan is too emotional and volatile. She doesn't fit the sociopath profile.

by Anonymousreply 37February 3, 2018 11:16 PM

robert wagner who killed natalie wood.

by Anonymousreply 38February 3, 2018 11:42 PM

Walken killed Natalie Wood.

Did you see Deer Hunter? That man is crazy.

by Anonymousreply 39February 3, 2018 11:45 PM

Definition: a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

None of these people listed fall into that category.

by Anonymousreply 40February 3, 2018 11:48 PM

Kevin Spacey is an obvious choice, but then his brother claims Spacey created his icy persona which I could well believe. Tom Cruise is a likely candidate.

by Anonymousreply 42February 4, 2018 12:10 AM

Taylor Swift reminds me a lot of Tom Cruise, with her highly controlled veneer and weird relationships she makes very public that don't quite add up. She is nice with the right people to get ahead, otherwise she is a vindictive mean girl and her "friends" are always based on who is most popular at the moment. Kind of like how Tom was for a minute with the Beckhams and the Pinkett-Smiths.

by Anonymousreply 43February 4, 2018 12:28 AM

Kelsey Grammer, definitely.

by Anonymousreply 44February 4, 2018 12:34 AM

Meeyl Streep. Ask her neighbors. She's a raging asshole. Her daughters joke is that she played herself in TDWP.

by Anonymousreply 46February 4, 2018 12:43 AM

La faye, la Viv, la adjani, la Tierney

by Anonymousreply 48February 4, 2018 12:46 AM

Some of you are just naming people you don't like. Reese and Taylor Swift might be twats but they aren't sociopaths.

by Anonymousreply 49February 4, 2018 2:44 AM

Some of you are using sociopath and psychopath too casually. Anne Heche isn't a "psychopath" for crissakes.

Many of the people listed are borderline, they are narcissists or bi-polar or autistic, or just old fashioned crackpots and loons.

by Anonymousreply 50February 4, 2018 2:53 AM

R33 usually “sociopathic tendencies” is used when a psychiatrist/psychologist hasn’t established whether the person is or not. There might be some signs the person is, but without proper analysis it hasn’t been determined yet. Or it might be in reference to a child who is showing sociopathic traits but is too young to be labelled a sociopath.

But once someone is an adult and has a proper diagnosis they’re either a sociopath or they’re not.

by Anonymousreply 52February 4, 2018 3:06 AM

Charlie Sheen could well be, he abuses and injures people and has no remorse, and doesn't seem to have any attachment to anyone, including his children. But he's got other issues, including massive substance abuse, possible bipolar disorder, and whatever the HIV has done to his brain.

The thing is, the vast majority of celebrities with personality disorders are narcissists, and a few of the less stable ones are borderlines or histrionics. And almost all are substance abusers.

by Anonymousreply 54February 4, 2018 7:15 AM

I love Mia's Valentine card to Woody. of all the crazy borderline bipolar psychotic loons we are fed by Hollywood, she is the only one who possess the hilarious factor. I vote for Mia

by Anonymousreply 55February 4, 2018 11:04 AM

R21 you can potentially be a "bit" of a sociopath (though in Madonna's case I think it's more just narcissistic personality disorder). This article explains one fascinating case. A well-respected & well-liked non-criminal neuroscientist decided to use his own brain scans as part of a "control group" in a study, and he discovered his scans matched to those of psychopaths, exactly. His wife then confirmed she saw some of the traits - but not necessarily manifested in a negative way. He had some of the impulsive and narcissistic tendencies, but he was raised by parents who apparently were able to nurture them out of him & redirect him in a way, though they still surface... but he somehow uses his core tendencies for positive things (like using charisma for funding for his research vs. manipulating people into a scam)

Sorry this was off topic, but I just saw him on the Doctors last week and it was quite a shock. I never thought these people could ever be anything but evil.

Female sociopaths are not as common, so what I think people are seeing is more borderline or narcissistic, which share traits. E.g., something is wrong with Angelina Jolie... but I don't think it's psychopathy... I think narcissism again.

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by Anonymousreply 56February 4, 2018 11:19 AM

They say certain career paths such as lawyer and surgeon actually benefit from the individual being sociopathic. The lack of empathy enables them to handle tasks most people simply wouldn’t be able to stomach.

I agree with most posts saying many of the people mentioned are actually narcasists. A self centred narcasist will use anyone they can to get what they want and then cast them aside. They do this because they view the world only from their own perspective. They have no interest in harming or hurting other people, as they only have true awareness of themselves not others. The damage they do to people comes from their behaviour and tactics to put themselves first.

To get big careers in showbusiness (which is full of other narcasists) many of the people we see will have totally self absorbed traits. This is why it’s so dangerous to give celebrities the platforms they are utilising for political and world issues. Most of these people only care about themselves and are saying stuff they believe makes them look good.

by Anonymousreply 58February 4, 2018 12:09 PM

Definitely Madonna. She does use people for publicity eto. ... and I'd include her adopted kids in that. Also I'll never forget how she dropped Rupert Everett when she no longer deemed him useful. Back in the late 90s he was her best gay friend...they made a movie together, were photographed everywhere then all of a sudden he was dropped. He has very few good words to say about her.

by Anonymousreply 59February 4, 2018 1:49 PM

Christian Bale based his portrayal of Patrick Bateman on Cruise

by Anonymousreply 60February 4, 2018 1:51 PM

Babs. Though to be fair she has had a few people in her life she has been enormously close and loyal to her entire life.

by Anonymousreply 62February 4, 2018 2:48 PM

Ann Coulter and her younger sidekick Tami L. Those two cunts should’ve been aborted or wound up on a Kleenex.

by Anonymousreply 63February 4, 2018 2:53 PM

Jolie doesn't strike me as sociopathic at all, but if any major celebrity is BPD rather than narcissistic it's her.

As to whether R52 is correct about there being fewer female sociopaths, I wonder if that's true. If sociopathy is inborn you'd think as many women as men would have such tendencies, and it could be that since women are socialized to be empathetic and to put others first their sociopathic traits are suppressed to some degree, or it could be that fewer female sociopaths hit the big time so to speak. Maybe typical female sociopaths work on a smaller or more personal scale, using and discarding loved ones, rather than, say, going into politics.

by Anonymousreply 64February 4, 2018 9:15 PM

"If sociopathy is inborn you'd think as many women as men would have such tendencies, and it could be that since women are socialized to be empathetic and to put others first their sociopathic traits are suppressed to some degree, or it could be that fewer female sociopaths hit the big time so to speak."

Well "socialization' doesn't stop sociopaths from being sociopaths. Women are just different from men.

by Anonymousreply 65February 5, 2018 2:10 AM

All the right-wingers, 100%. They're all creepy as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 66February 5, 2018 2:17 AM

When I read about Charlie Sheen molesting Corey Haim (or Feldman)? that sealed it. A lot of Casanovas are actually bent, and the whole hooking up with conspicuous sex bombs mostly a front for depravity.

by Anonymousreply 67February 5, 2018 2:21 AM

I pretend to be human among the normals, but I am really just watching and observing them so as to behave as they do.

by Anonymousreply 71February 5, 2018 2:33 AM

Robert Wagner........and his time is coming.

by Anonymousreply 73February 5, 2018 2:36 AM

R67 it is alleged by the National Enquirer and other rags that Charlie Sheen raped Haim, when they worked together on the film LUCAS. It has been rumoured for many years but has never been proven.

Feldman has neither confirmed nor denied these charges, and Haim’s mother Judy has dismissed them.

by Anonymousreply 74February 22, 2018 12:31 PM

Everyone of them who is a mother or father.

by Anonymousreply 75February 22, 2018 12:38 PM

Jimmy "JJ" Walker

Serena Williams is a PURE CUNT

Lisa Whelchel is a PURE BITCH

by Anonymousreply 76February 22, 2018 2:41 PM

Most teenagers r psychopaths. I don't believe u can label people. Personality is too complex. Study ww2, rape and murder became the norm.

by Anonymousreply 78February 22, 2018 3:30 PM

Except that a diagnosis can't be really made until you're over 18 r78

by Anonymousreply 79February 22, 2018 3:48 PM

As has been said, "psychopath" is totally misunderstood on this thread. Hence the fool at r46.

by Anonymousreply 80February 22, 2018 4:05 PM

Bobby Blake is soft as a kitten, wouldn't harm a fly. He is in no way capable of murder or hiring for murder. I've spent time around him.

by Anonymousreply 82February 22, 2018 4:27 PM

Upthread someone mentioned Tom Skerritt. Why do you say this?

by Anonymousreply 83February 22, 2018 4:40 PM

Matt Laurer is on the list.

by Anonymousreply 84February 22, 2018 4:51 PM

Kirk Douglas, shown here with his little aging m/wife

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by Anonymousreply 85February 22, 2018 4:55 PM

Pat O'Brien Angelina Depp Harvey Chet Baker (literally the worst human ever to have lived)

by Anonymousreply 86February 22, 2018 4:56 PM

[quote]Chet Baker (literally the worst human ever to have lived)

Really? He beat out Stalin and Pol Pot?

by Anonymousreply 87February 22, 2018 5:04 PM

If the allegations are true, that guy from That 70s Show, Danny Masterson. Most of these people mentioned are not psychopaths, just ordinary assholes.

by Anonymousreply 89February 22, 2018 5:27 PM

Joe Biden? Are you a Russian troll, r88?

by Anonymousreply 90February 22, 2018 5:31 PM

Johnny Depp, and I think Sean Mendes is well on his way to developing those tendencies...

by Anonymousreply 91February 22, 2018 5:32 PM

Hitler was not a psychopath. His secretaries etc said he was good guy many years after the war. It's human nature to be tribal. We r programmed To attack other tribes for their resources and females and to exterminate competing DNA. Almost all Germans knew about the worst atrocities and were cheering Hitler. Psychopath s are brain damaged and don't get far.

by Anonymousreply 92February 22, 2018 5:36 PM

If people thought he "seemed like a good guy" that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a psychopath....

by Anonymousreply 93February 22, 2018 5:45 PM

Streisand isn’t a sociopath at all. Her personality is too solid and the public know her as being formidable. Sociopath’s will tend to cultivate personalities based on who they want to use.

Sociopath’s can also manufacture an entire public persona that seems lovable and kindly. It’s the Dolores Umbrage factor. I feel Ellen may be sociopathic. Very occasionally her mask slips and she seems cold and scary. Andy Cohen is another sociopath. That guy would literally commit murder if he thought he’d get away with it and it would benefit him. It’s usually the shark eyes that give them away.

by Anonymousreply 94February 22, 2018 5:45 PM

Man, you are correct about both Cohen and Ellen having those "shark eyes." I had not ever considered that but, yes. I have always hated Cohen with a passion but liked Ellen. In this day and age, though, nothing surprises me.

I cannot think of any true celeb who is a psychopath but you KNOW Hollywood is infested with them in the corridors of studios and networks and agents' offices.

by Anonymousreply 95February 22, 2018 6:02 PM

Marvin Gaye, Michael Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Kirk Douglas, Kevin Spacey, to name the few that come right to mind.

by Anonymousreply 96February 22, 2018 6:05 PM

Shark eyes? Please, you are confusing that with "wonky eyes"

by Anonymousreply 97February 22, 2018 6:06 PM

I think Julia Roberts could be in there, but may be just a common malignant narcissist.

by Anonymousreply 98February 22, 2018 6:20 PM

Clooney. He's too charming for words and is a known user of people. Both common traits of psychopaths.

by Anonymousreply 99February 22, 2018 6:20 PM

As usual a discussion about psychopaths on DL prove most posters have no idea what a psychopath is.

by Anonymousreply 100February 22, 2018 8:12 PM

[quote]Sean Mendes is well on his way to developing those tendencies.

Tell us more.

by Anonymousreply 102February 22, 2018 8:42 PM

Oprah Winfrey. In Kitty Kelley's excellent book on her person after person said that when the cameras are not rolling Oprah is cold, hard and distant.

A person who worked at an airport and saw her there many times said that she was always in the company of women and was unfriendly and frowning.

A woman watched her leave a store where she was unpleasant when all of a sudden a schoolbus full of children went by- they recognized her, yelled at her, and all of a sudden she was friendly and waving, but the moment they were out of sight she returned to being a miserable stoneface.

Apparently the private Oprah is much less than charming. Oprah loves Oprah.

by Anonymousreply 103February 22, 2018 9:16 PM

A lot of these people are just clinically disordered by narcissism but Cruise, Spacey, and Degeneres are absolute sociopaths. No doubt. Someone pointed out that Babs isn’t for several good reasons, many being classic diva traits or shows of emotion. Same goes for Bale, David O Russell... not sociopaths. Being a hothead is very far from being a sociopath. They don’t cultivate charming, beloved personas with the intent of stabbing backs to climb the ladder

by Anonymousreply 104February 22, 2018 9:25 PM

R92 is clueless. Hitler had millions of people murdered but his secretary said he was a nice person so therefore he wasn't a psychopath. I guess he was just misunderstood.

Also psychopaths are brained damaged and don't get far??? There are a lot of CEOs, surgeons, politicians and lawyers who are psychopaths. Psychopaths are not brain damaged, it's a personality disorder.

by Anonymousreply 105February 22, 2018 10:14 PM

I’m thinking Robert Evans and Jack Nicholson.

by Anonymousreply 106February 22, 2018 10:38 PM

Julia Roberts owns the title. A friend worked on a film with her, as a lowly PA, said she was an absolute nightmare. He said she was just awful. He said the worst was when she yelled at a lady who worked the craft table - a lighting guy called her on it and she backed down - he was fired a few days later. So when you see her on the cover of People or joking with all her celebrity friends, know the reality is she's a horror.

by Anonymousreply 107February 22, 2018 10:51 PM

R104 Completely right. “Diva behaviour” from women and men is not a trait of sociopathy, but usually a mixture of perfectionism and insecurity. For example, Dusty Springfield was known to be Diva like, but was regarded by all her knew her as the kindest person in private, who was shy and very insecure.

It’s the Oprah’s you need to be wary of. Cruise I could also believe is a total sociopath. His persona is incredibly intense and that laugh is so forced and exaggerated.

The shark eye factor is also true.. Narcissists tend to have a somewhat vacant look about their eyes, as they are constantly focusing inward on themselves and not really listening to or caring what the other person has to say. A sociopath will have a hard intense look to their eyes, as they are honing in on their subject and reading them. They are assessing them constantly and will attempt to mirror their behaviour. The sociopath’s mask will slip if they believe the subject has seen through them instantaniously and unexpectedly. This could be something an onlooker would never perceive as being a negative comment, but the sociopath goes into true mode as they believe their subject is indicating they can “really see them”. This will last a matter of seconds before they recompose themselves, but the subject is now in serious trouble.

One of the key pieces of advice given about sociopaths is how dangerous it is to allow them to realise you have recognised who they truly are. If the sociopath believes their cover has been blown, they will go out of their way to discredit, hurt and damage the individual who has seen through them. This happens a lot in work situations, whereby a sociopath has recognised a co worker has seen through them. They will then attempt to make the innocent co worker appear unhinged, incompetent and ostracise them away from the other staff. I have to say, everything we are seeing with Kim Catrall and Sarah Jessica Parker looks like text book fall out from a sociopath’s treatment of someone who has seen through them. Notice how KC appeared the unhinged one, whilst SJP was giving composed statements? This would have been happening behind the scenes throughout SATC. KC would have been ostracised and isolated from the cast and SJP would have really caused negativity for her. And it would have stemmed from KC initially expressing an opinion that made SJP realise she’d seen through her.

A sociopath can only function when those around them do not see their true nature. They live their lives trying to hide their true intents from those they want something from. Once they have got what they need, they will literally devour these people and move on to the next useful person or persons to them. They are totally aware of what they are doing and will destroy anybody they feel has seen through them and could bring them down.

by Anonymousreply 108February 22, 2018 11:35 PM

I should also add to my R108 comment.

When a sociopath is publicly unveiled it destroys them like throwing water over the wicked witch of the west. They cannot recover from it. Simply because they have damaged so many people, that whole army’s come toward retelling their experiences of that person.

A sociopath can also never, ever stand trial for anything. They do not withstand courts and scrutiny well, as they are so disingenious and display such nasty, cold behaviour when cornered. Even when they are totally innocent with minimal evidence, they will often be found guilty and end up in jail.

Amanda Knox is a prime example of this. There was minimal evidence that would have associated her to that crime. However, her behaviour immediately following the discovery of her flat mates body was so cold and utterly unfeeling, the Italian police couldn’t believe she didn’t do it. Similarly, the court saw the same view. Sociopath’s will share all the characterics of someone who is truly guilty, because they are wired to not care about anyone but themselves. Also, because lying is second nature to them, when they are questioned by the police or a court, they will present true facts in a disingenuous and falsely emotive way they will appear to be lying. When cross examined the sociopath will feel cornered and react. Hence why a jury could only ever believe they were guilty.

by Anonymousreply 109February 22, 2018 11:49 PM

When Madonna announced to Dick Clark that she wanted to rule the world, little did she realize, she was providing evidence of classic sociopathic mentality. She used and discarded people to suit her every need.

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by Anonymousreply 111February 22, 2018 11:53 PM

Mickey Rourke. I think he’s violent and has uncontrollable rage.

by Anonymousreply 112February 23, 2018 12:22 AM

"A person who worked at an airport and saw her there many times said that she was always in the company of women and was unfriendly and frowning."

That just makes her a grumpy lesbian, not a sociopath. WTF is wrong with someone who think Oprah and Ellen are sociopaths? They clearly aren't. Are you just a lesbian hater?

by Anonymousreply 113February 23, 2018 1:57 AM

Oprah has resting bitch face, big whoop

by Anonymousreply 114February 23, 2018 2:31 AM

R107 none of that makes Roberts a sociopath. Mean, spoilt and entitled doesn’t make someone a sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 115February 23, 2018 3:01 AM

Ben Carson (not really a celebrity) and Omarosa. Louis CK has flat dead eyes.

by Anonymousreply 116February 23, 2018 3:26 AM

R65, an inborn trait can be expressed to a greater or lesser degree, and still be inborn. Say two people are born with sociopathic traits, and one destroys business rivals and has anyone who gets in his way killed and eventually becomes a world leader, and another is a productive member of society whose only enemies are his ex-spouses and children. What's the difference between those two sociopaths? Is it nature or nurture?

Which brings up the question of male vs female sociopaths, it's commonly thought that sociopathy and psychopathy are more often found in men than women, and I ask why. Are sociopathic traits sex-linked genetic traits? Or does the way men and women are brought up and socialized make a difference in their adult behavior? If women are trained to be empathetic (or fake it), to do what authority figures say, to put others first, more so than men... does that limit or mask the expression of sociopathic or psychopathic traits in adults? Obviously it doesn't make them into normal people, certainly not if as I suspect these traits are inborn and can't be changed, but not everyone with sociopathic traits grows up to be Donald Trump and I wonder why.

In my own head I call this "the Dexter question", after the fictional psychopath who's been taught to fit into society and only kill those who need killing. Also see the BBC's "Sherlock", who says "I'm not autistic, I'm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research!".

by Anonymousreply 117February 23, 2018 3:37 AM

R101 when Bill Murray thinks you’re a twisted nutjob and John Belushi takes you aside to ask wtf your damage is? You know you’re the Maharajah of Rude Assholery.

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by Anonymousreply 118February 23, 2018 11:58 AM

I dated a psychiatrist who told me there are degrees of sociopathy. He said everyone possesses some sociopathic traits. Not caring if Muslim people are being bombed because we have determined that they are less than human is one of his examples. He said some sociopathic types do care about their families even if a good amount of that caring is actually concern for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 122February 23, 2018 1:31 PM

R121 is she continuously checking if the camera is watching her or did I imagine that? I also got second hand embarrassment at her spasmodic dancing.

by Anonymousreply 123February 23, 2018 4:14 PM

I truly believe Madonna is a clinical psychopath. The narcissism, shallow effect, weak relationships, low empathy, superficial charm and promiscuity all fit. Her diagnosis is obvious but I rarely see it discussed. I also suspect Rob Lowe but I am not sure why.

by Anonymousreply 124June 18, 2018 2:55 PM

Anyone said James woods yet?

by Anonymousreply 125June 18, 2018 3:36 PM

I was just about to say "James Woods".

by Anonymousreply 126June 18, 2018 3:42 PM

Arnold Schwarzenegger and Marlon Brando

by Anonymousreply 127June 18, 2018 3:58 PM

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