George Michael Was Addicted To GHB

Tittle-tattle from James Gavin's GM biography “George Michael: A Life,” out June 28.

Do with this bit of information what you will.

GM wasn't bi, he was gay.

The drugs are what killed him. Not directly, but they gave him an enlarged heart and a fatty liver. His body quit because it couldn't take the abuse anymore. Same thing happened to Elvis.

At least GM was spared the indignity of dying on the shitter and died in bed instead.

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R2 he was bi trash. Gay men don't fuck women. He said in multiple interviews he was attracted to women, and like most bi men, took forever to come out like the cowards that most bi men are. Even other bi men have said George was bi.

How could you be addicted to GHB?

I was prescribed GHB years ago when I had severe insomnia. Like any other drug it can be addicting. It's gives you a very relaxed and euphoric high in smaller doses. THen you need more and a higher dose. It's a dangerous drug, one of the reasons I quit taking it.

R2 Is this something an ACTUAL GAY MAN would say or do:

From George Michael:

"If I wasn't with my boyfriend, I would have sex with women, no question".

Stop calling bisexual men "gay", and making them "gay icons". Homosexuality is not bisexuality, and bisexuality is not homosexuality.

Is that what caused that atrocious underbite?

He fucked women as a young man when he hadn’t come to terms with his sexuality. I think from Anselmo onward, he was totally gay. If he said anything about women, it was probably a marketing thing.

You guys seem really hostile toward George. I thought Datalounge would be full of his fans.

What I really regret is that from “Older” on, he really seemed determined to take any fun or joy out of a lot of his music and presentation, And he cut his hair so short and had a beard covering a lovely face, and I thought that he seemed to even want to minimize his good looks.

R8 how did you overcome your insomnia? Struggling with it right now. Ambien works but it makes me very forgetful and depressed.

I don’t think it was just GHB. GHB usually comes with meth.

R15 George took everything from A to Z.

He was gay. He just wasn't one of DL's gold star gays that hiss at women in the streets.

Everything else was a cover story.

R17 fucking women repeatedly for decades, especially while having a boyfriend is the OPPOSITE of gay!

He was addicted to hustlers, apparently

Sometimes rolling about in the filth at the floor of a port-o-potty awaiting an opportunity for anonymous sex fills one with self loathing; why lasso the gay part into this otherwise sick scenario?

[quote] Do with this bit of information what you will.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what to do with this bit of information.

R18 You're not very bright

Didn't he film gay porn at his home too? That dumb whore Fadi should have gotten George to marry him then he'd have access to that money. George had shit taste in men.

R22 calling a bi man "gay", is the definition of not being bright, you gay conversion therapy motherfucker.

R24 Unstable person, I never called a bi man "gay." You are the idiot who said bi was the OPPOSITE of gay. The OPPOSITE of gay would be straight, dumbass.

R25 You called George "gay", when he was bi, you stupid motherfucker. Bi and gay are the opposite of each other, in the sense that both are distinct from each other for obvious reasons based on what homosexuality is and what bisexuality is. Bisexuality has more in common with heterosexuality, considering that the facts and statistics show that a large majority of bisexuals identify as "straight" or live the "straight" life. Actual gay men aren't fucking women, part-time or full-time. Now fuck off you bisexual worshipper who is always mixing and conflating homosexuality with bisexuality as being the same.

I am confused. I thought George was only with women until he fell in love with that first guy, the one that died of AIDS six months after they met? And then it was Dick City from there on out?

r26 your ex left you for a women, didn't he?

George said he was having sex with both men and women. But he found he didn't love women in the romantic sense and falling for Anselmo made him realize he was gay. I guess he was a homo-leaning bisexual. I don't get the controversy, he identified as gay but was honest about the fact he is capable of having sex with women and did in the past. He abandoned all bisexuality to exclusively have sex wit men. How is that difference from men who identify as straight who had sex with men when younger and give it up once they get married to a woman?

He didn’t smoke crack, he was slamming. Tina.

Addiction in the physical sense isn’t about feeling good. It’s about staving off withdrawals. I was on Effexor XR for 12 years and it took me a full 3 years to taper off because the side effects of not having it daily - nausea, blacking out, an electrical “clicking” in my head, extreme dizziness were unrelenting. And going down from 32.5mg to nothing was the hardest of all.

Of course I have no idea if this applies to GGB.

Why does everyone hate bi ppl so much? Or is it just one poster? What’s the damage lol you sound absolutely deranged - how the the bisexuals hurt you? 😩😭

I think hating bi's just denotes gay self loathing but maybe that's just me.

Isn't it possible that he was with women in the beginning because he didn't want to disappoint his parents (this was the eighties) and he wanted to maintain a public appearance of being straight?

I just started reading this bio, about 1/3 in. What I’m getting is that he was deeply unhappy from childhood and had an asshole of a father. I’m understanding more and more why he died in his early 50s. It was inevitable.

This is old news about the GHB.

He was no more bi than I am.

How did he become addicted to the 41st president of the United States of America? How is that even POSSIBLE?

All I know is after posting on this thread I've gotten a shit ton of GM recommendations on Spotify....creepy af, but I took the bait and listened to several songs. He was actually a really great musical artist and him not being around continues to be a huge loss.

R3/ I think because when Bi guys are with women these women don’t know the wiser usually. And end up falling in love with the guy that’s on the down low unsuspectingly.which isn’t fair for various reasons.

This same scenario applies to gay men as well. Fall in love hoping the Bi guy has figured out by now that he’s actually gay..

It’s Rinse and Repeat with these guys. Never settled minded which makes them completely unreliable in relationships.

Unless of course the other person is Bi of course which I’m fine with stay with them. Don’t lead a lie and be selfish. That’s all I’m saying.

Please R41 you’re talking about dishonesty rather than bisexuality.

^Ok I’ll take that. I’m not to well verse on the mindset of a bi sexual person. Dishonesty makes sense. But I was going off of personal experience and some others agreed with me so.

R44 you’re going off subjective prejudice. Bisexual people aren’t more or less dishonest than any other person.

He admitted that he regularly went out at night to parks for random sex. IIRC, during the interview, his partner (male) was sitting right next to him when he said that (random sex at parks).

I'm guessing he was just cycling through sex partners, men and women, due to his compulsions. He was able to find more male hookups than women. His preference was probably men.

He seemed really self-destructive. I don't think he was trying to look unattractive. His looks just went to hell quickly. I'm guessing he did do meth / sex in combination.

That said, he seemed like a polite person, not as much of a diva as he could have been.

I am haunted by that final photo of George. Datalounge, please don't let me get that fat!

R46 I do not believe he had sex with women. He probably had to say that due to the fact that the majority of his fans were women. Even the women in his eighties videos did admit they knew he was a gay man. That Asian chick in the "I want your sex" video was his beard when he was very much closeted. It is funny because no woman has ever admitted to fucking George Michael but we have men who have a lot to dish.

there is some crazy bi troll now.

The trolls have been coming for the B for a while. Their goal is to divide the LGBTQ community. They want division & chaos so the right-wing can control and conquer us.

GM left fucking women behind after Anselmo. He was GAY.

R2 your facts are off. He admitted later to managing the situation so he didn’t look like a hypocrite with the earlier beards like Brooke shields. It was an open secret around him and in the industry that he was as gay as the day is long and not Bi at all. .

I kind of wish I'd had the chance to try GHB before it was outlawed. Maybe it's just as well, tho.

As for George, I thought he was gay from the first moment I saw him. I couldn't believe anyone thought he was straight.

George was incredibly lucky that he didn’t get attacked or beaten up sneaking around late at night looking for partners. It is an absolutely miracle that he never got HIV.

let me ask this: did all the people who realized early on that George was gay think that Andrew Ridgeley was gay also?

R55 according to the porno boyfriend, he did have HIV and enjoyed extreme sex.

I thought Andrew and George were a couple esp. during Make It Big (just look at the pictures and album cover!). But George said Andrew was straight and not his type (pfft, IDK how true that is given Anselmo and porno boyfriend's olive skin like Andrew's...who is still gorgeous as an older man).

Recent Andrew Ridgeley picture

Still gorgeous (lucky Egyptian genes)

They looked like a couple here (but weren't)

[quote] let me ask this: did all the people who realized early on that George was gay think that Andrew Ridgeley was gay also?

This video, Wake Me Up, 2:10 where he's wearing the 2-tone Dolphin shorts & dancing is when I thought he was gay. My gaydar wasn't even that strong back then.

He and Ridgeley did seem like a couple or, at least, a couple that had broken up but stayed in the music game together. So, yes, I though Ridgeley was gay as well.

R55 He did have HIV, why do you think he spent weeks in a hospital in Vienna with pneumonia in 2011. He also made a secret visit back to the hospital a month before he died, he flew to Vienna by private jet to see the doctors.

Only Fadi Fawaz and some other conspiracy loons and or haters are going with GM was HIV+

Coroner's report did not list HIV as cause or contributing to George Michael's death, and or that he was infected. Which legally would have happened if GM was HIV+. Freddie Mercury knew this and fessed up to his illness before death to get things out in open.

GM's lover Anselmo Feleppa died of HIV/AIDS, then there was all his cottaging activities. But GM seemed to be one of those who slut around but were lucky in that regard.

Stan Greene from Santa Monica Observer was another one with an ax to grind.

George Michael may or may not have slept with females, but first time saw this video knew he was gay. I mean the faces George Michael pulls in "Last Christmas" regardless of fact song is about or directed towards a female, were gay, gay, *gay*.

[quote]Isn't it possible that he was with women in the beginning because he didn't want to disappoint his parents (this was the eighties) and he wanted to maintain a public appearance of being straight?

No way, man. If he was with a woman before switching to dudes, he was definitely bisexual. A true gay man can’t stand being with chicks AT ALL. As you can see, every leading man in Hollywood is straight (like me).

Begone desperate Bi Troll.

R63 Things have moved on since the early 90’s you idiot, not everything needs to be made public these days. George Michael was heavily into chem sex, he would go to Hampstead Heath most nights wearing a gimp mask and with a bag full of sex toys. He paid many hundreds of rent boys for sex. By his own admission he slept with over 500 men in one 7 year period. Do you really think that somebody off their head on drugs for years and addicted to anonymous sex would be playing safe every time? You need to grow up and stop being such a fan boy. Just because you look like a horse doesn’t mean to say you have to wear blinkers.

R69 Thanks for the visuals. My 1984 self is cracking up over the wholesome Ken doll of Wham sporting fetish gear.

[quote]Bisexuality has more in common with heterosexuality, considering that the facts and statistics show that a large majority of bisexuals identify as "straight" or live the "straight" life.

So, they're cowards.

Has any of the rent boys come forward to provide details? Did he have regulars?

Why are most 'out and proud' homosexuals on drugs?

R72 the regulars signed NDAs. Of the ones in the park, an old guy was interviewed by the Sun back in the early 2000’s as they staked out hampstead heath once. George furiously denied it because in his words the guy was too ugly but it seemed plausible based on what the guy said.

Another older guy posted a few photos with a story about hooking up with him from Grindr. IThey can be found by google likely. The article came out after George passed away. George looked high on something in the posed pics.

One datalounger posted in the past about hooking up with him on Grindr while he was on a bender in Australia When he arrived there was a literal harem of dudes in the living room waiting their turn.

I am been noisy r74 what do you mean by harem of men taking turns and on who?

Taking turns on the pianola, Rose.

I was kind of embarrassed by him growing up; there were no gay “role models”; GM was one of the most prominent gay celebrities and he reinforced the stereotype of gay men being slutty, desperate trash. But I recognise it’s unfair to expect a person to be more than they are or to conform to an ideal.

What did Princess Di and Sir Elton think?

[quote]GM was one of the most prominent gay celebrities and he reinforced the stereotype of gay men being slutty, desperate trash.

Pretty much my favorite of all the available gay stereotypes.

It is impressive that he had so many female fans due to his gay sluttiness. It seems to be a huge turnoff among women then I realized most of his female fans are middleaged sexless fraus basically faghags. They clinged on to the pinup guy image from the 80s. In short, they fantasized about him even though they knew they had no chance even if they were gorgeous.

Back to the ghb topic, at the end of Andrew ridgleys book he does speculate about George’s death and says even the family is confused about what the heck went on the day and hours before. By all accounts he was doing better

GHB doesn’t stay in the system so would not have been found in toxicology tests. And the whore who was there at the time he had on payroll changed his story multiple times about the final hours and also admitted to not calling emergency services for a number of hours after he new George was dead.

He said it was hard on everyone to have so many questions left about what went on the day he died. So despite what they released from the coroner, it sounds like the family thinks there was more to it. And they likely know more than the public does.

R80 you are so far off it’s hilarious. And sounds like you obviously don’t understand women at all and aren’t around them much.

“then I realized most of his female fans are middleaged sexless fraus basically faghags. “

Here’s some news: women actually appreciate music. Many give no shits about the fact that he was gay because the DON’T fantasize about him that way. Some people just like soft pop music and he was one of the best.

R8 in the US, GHB is a Schedule I drug and cannot be prescribed. So I assume you live outside of the US, but heck in the UK you can't even get Adderall. I am curious where you live.

"GHB is a Schedule I controlled substance, meaning that it has a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the UnitedStates, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision."

Xyrem is a GBH derivative that can be legally prescribed for narcolepsy/cataplexy.

If a MD prescribes Xyrem for anything other than narcolepsy/cataplexy - they will lose their DEA license and will never be able to prescribe controlled substances

R82 you sound like one of the sexless fraus. Yes we women do appreciate good music regardless of the singers sexuality. There is a reason famous male singers with sex appeal still have to beard especially if they have lots of female fans.

I could have predicted a response like that r84 but sadly for you, you are wrong again. But your post also makes little sense.

R84’s post at r75 indicates they don’t know much about sex in general lol.

R63, I believe he had HIV also. His family could (and would) keep that from the public for his privacy/rep esp. since he did not want people to know and it was not directly related to his cause of death. R64, people can be fans without being in denial/head in the clouds about the negative stuff.

As for the bi rumors - he fucked women early on, but preferred men and never looked back after Anselmo. He said this in several interviews.

R88 he said that because of his female fans. R85 you know little about women and I would bet you are a gay man. George wouldn't have lied about sleeping with women if his homosexuality wasn't an issue earlier on.

Happy Birthday George Michael!

Would have been 59 today...

Meanwhile his estate continues to rake in money.

He was very handsome with these glasses on the left.

I think George was poz too. It perfectly fits his promiscuous lifestyle. He was always on drug benders and fucking escorts and porn stars for chrissakes. He spent the last twenty years of his life in this self-destructive cycle almost like he had a death wish. DL was predicting his death for years and nobody was shocked he died though it was still tragic and a huge loss. He really surrounded himself with golddigging whores who just wanted his money and didn't care about him. Died alone. Fadi trying to act like a widow of sorts. Please, he just regrets he didn't pull a Sam Asgari and put a ring on this declining mentally ill rich pop star's finger before his death.

George lied when he said he slept with women. It was the 80s. He was always gay and loved straight Andrew from the minute he met him.

[quote]By his own admission he slept with over 500 men in one 7 year period.

Atta girl.

R93 Andrew was so sexy back then

R95: He is still sexy. He aged very well.

George and Andrew helped me discover a love of hairy sexy Arab men.

Did George have an unrequited crush on Andrew, then?

Or is this more fan fiction?

Still calling GHB "the date rape drug," never mind that most gay GHB users would be loathe to diminish their own supply or not take it in order to use it on someone for nefarious purposes.

I don't think it was unrequited. I think they probably fooled around. George called Andrew beautiful but also claimed he wasn't his type and that they never had sex in this 2004 interview. This is the same one where he claimed he was bisexual. Andrew was and is in a long term heterosexual relationship, so George probably didn't want to admit anything happened out of respect for them.

[Quote] "There probably was something homoerotic there, simply because we were so close. But luckily, I never fancied him. Also, he's just not my type, to be honest. Beautiful though."

Basically admitting it without saying it.

He is the one celebrity death that still saddens me.

^^ I feel this way about Rocio Jurado. I must be a bigger and better gold star gay than you.

IMHO his death was more pathetic than sad, R101. Has-been-hood comes to all entertainers, or almost all, and most cope with it well enough. They work behind the scenes in their field, or they start new businesses, or they develop new interests or go back to college, or they become society figures or philanthropists... they do something with their lives other than taking drugs with a prostitute.

Michael died a cautionary tale, and he didn't have to.

His death wasn’t pathetic—he struggled and didn’t win. Others have better coping mechanisms or had better self-worth. People are different and handle life in a myriad of ways. But you know that. It’s sad because he was kind, generous and talented. A pathetic death is falling off a cliff while taking a selfie.

Were GM and Princess Diana great friends?

In this new GM bio, Fadi took photos of George’s corpse when he found him and made personal phone calls for over an hour before calling emergency. Fadi told the cops multiple versions of finding GM’s body and what he did next, and he is such a worthless piece of garbage, that the details of the 12-24 hrs up to finding the body are now unknowable. If I were a family member of George’s, I would pay to have Fadi smashed up. The family does very much want to know exactly what happened, but Fadi is the only witness and he lies so flagrantly that it is impossible to believe anything he says.

Between the cottaging and public drug intoxication, I get a transgressive, but persistent “Compartmentalize and don’t shit where you eat” vibe.

I wonder if younger people understand how much money was furious with GM.

[R105], I recall George discussed his relationship with PD. They were acquaintances, and spent some time together on occasion. They once drove around together in his car listening to his music. He was obsessed with the musical charts at the time and they talked about music mostly. Asked if they called each other on the phone and he replied, paraphrasing, “No, not really. It was a regret. I would have liked to have been closer friends, but it didn’t seem natural to just pick up the phone and ring her.” The interview is probably on YouTube somewhere.

I’ve always assumed he asked PD for the number to her hair stylist and used the same stylist as his hair had a very PD look to it for a time.

R109,

[quote] George Michael regretted suing his record label in the 1990s, a new documentary reveals. The star took Sony to court in 1992, claiming he had little control over his work, with the company treating him as "no more than a piece of software". He eventually lost the case, which put his career on hold for five years.Oct 10, 2017

This was an artist who fought with Sony. The coverage began to change. The National Inquirer tone changed - they once had him saving babies as often as Tom Cruise rescued stranded motorists.

His death saddens me because while I saw it coming. Just like with Whitney Houston. I was hoping George could pull it together for a comeback. He was working on a new album with producer Naughty Dog and was still posting on social media and giving his well-informed opinions on politics and society. But parading around his boy toys, getting pap shots drunk on yachts, and falling out of his car. Looking strung out and bloated. Completely a walking contradiction.

Maybe he should have adopted a child. Having kids seemed to have saved Colin Farrell from an inevitable OD. Children force you to grow up and stop being selfish.

As unhealthy as George was in his final decade, I am surprised he was healthy enough to have sex. Don't sex addicts have to be somewhat fit to have that much sex all the time? Physically, he was a trainwreck. His body was giving up and horribly abused by drugs and food and illness. What kind of sex was he into that he would have been physically able to have that much in that poor condition at his age?

I was so, so sad to read about the falling out between George and Andrew in the recent Daily Mail article linked above. Really too bad! They were such good friends since childhood and accomplished so much together, living their dreams. There would have been no George Michael without Andrew, who gave George the courage and inspiration to "make it big." George made so many mistakes in life--turning against Andrew, turning against Sony. He kept shooting himself in the foot for no good reason. Self destructive.

Maybe he liked giving head and getting fucked as he laid down on his stomach? He was in awful shape and I can't see him having stamina to be a top. A lot of older unfit gay men just like to give head and have a hot young guy to kiss and feel up.

Interesting that the new biography theorizes George's death was suicide. I've always assumed as much and found the timing too much a coincidence with too many unanswered questions . . . he had just argued with his lover (Fadi), was depressed about his life, his age, his looks; had holiday depression; and the timing is just too much--I can see George wanting to be dramatic, wanting his death to be announced on Christmas, hoping it would make a bigger impact with those who he loved and had become estranged and with those who loved his music, while making his song "Last Christmas" more iconic. It is also the anniversary of his mother's death.

There has also been talk that his sister who died shortly after him was also a suicide and that she was a lesbian. I have no idea if this was true, but like George, she was far too young to die and died very suddenly and unexpected. Suicide also runs in the family on his mother's side.

Neither of his sisters even had children, nor did George. That's unusual. I wonder why.

Yep. In a Greek Orthodox family, parents expect a lot of grandkids. It's very patriarchal, conservative and family-orientated culture. George not having kids makes sense to me though. He probably just wasn't interested and he was pretty selfish and headed down a road of self-destruction. I think he likely had some self-loathing issues even though he presented a nonchalant image to the media. He and Whitney Houston have that in common, religious upbringings and self-loathing about their sexuality and lacked the will to cut off the enablers and get sober. Waste of talent

R117 George’s sister Melanie died from a diabetic coma.

R106 It wouldn’t surprise me if that once Fadhi realised that George was dead he spent time going through his stuff looking for expensive jewellery, cash and stuff before calling the police.

People often don’t understand that the great talent, the ability to move people, and the self-destructive & self-loathing in an artist are two sides to the same coin. You can’t have one without the other.

“You have got to feel for George and Melanie's father Jack - he's an old man now and is going to bury a daughter after burying his son.

“It's a terrible business for the family. Neither Melanie nor Yioda [the other sister] ever worked, George took care of them.

“They were both very similar to him, very private people and very complicated people.”

^^^ interesting the above article says neither sister ever worked. I thought M was a hairdresser and the older sister had some sort of legal career. I'm not sure that article is very accurate on anything.

She may have neglected her health (not taking her medication regularly, not checking her glucose level regularly and not seeing her doctor) as she didn't care anymore and this may have led to her death of diabetic coma - which is preventable if one is doing these things listed above.

R123 That is not true. Melanie worked as a hairdresser, or at least she did in her younger years. Yioda, like the rest of the family is extremely private, she works completely anonymously in education as a teacher.

R61, George looks like an angry housefrau in that video still.

[quote] Maybe he should have adopted a child. Having kids seemed to have saved Colin Farrell from an inevitable OD. Children force you to grow up and stop being selfish.

Uh ... no. Bringing a child into an active addict's household, to try to help the addict, is not a good idea.

R122 Scott Weiland comes to mind. And a few others.

But I get it. I really do.

Whatever drove them to that place they couldn’t escape it.

Jesus. R107 and r111 are need to pay for their own translation service.

R117 while I agree the timing of the sister’s death is odd l. She apparently had long term diabetic keto acidosis which is very hard to keep under control.

As for being a lesbian or not, there is nothing one way or the other. I’ve only heard that rumour attached to “well she didn’t get married so…” A lot of straight people have trouble accepting that other straight people exist who just don’t want to get married and have children, or miss the boat making it too late to, and are ok with it. . There could be all sorts of reasons for it.

R124 and r126 - yioda actually worked for a while managing one of George’s charitable trusts - I forget the name of it. She only was a teacher for a short time. She also went back to school and became a social worker or maybe it was a psychologist with her own practice. Very bright lady. She did not go by her real last name in her practice. This was outed in an article when there was a sea of stuff after his death being published, complete with picture of her from her therapy profile. . Some frau in those old fadi fawaz datalounge threads kept obsessing over it and posting it over and over as well as old flicker images that were publicly available via an ex boyfriend of hers of them on a cruise together. So for the usual frau cabal all suspicious about how weird they didn’t get married and have kids therefore must be lesbians, perhaps you can see how hard it would be to trust others in their situation, especially if they liked privacy, and how many users and overzealous fans would have wanted a piece of that family over the years. .

R132 it is interesting she couldn't help her brother if she is in fact a shrink.

Wow. DLers hate bisexuals. I didn't know it was so strong or commonplace here. Maybe I really should go. Why stay with people who think you're trash?

R133, shrinks aren't magicians, not even the best ones. They can't help a person if the person isn't motivated to change for tge better, or isn't willing to do the work required to change for the better.

R135 the person I am referring to isn't just her client but her own brother who was on a path to self destruction. This just shows they probably weren't close.

I am reading the new GM bio. It is tremendously well researched. Tons of new info, and odd stories fully fleshed out and explained. If you have any interest in GM, you have to read this.

Here is a quote from GM's whore, porn star Paul Stag:

[q]The secret to being a good top is never do drugs. I love being the only hard cock in the room at the end of a party.[q]

Ughh...I looked up Paul Stag. What a nasty whore. This is what GM would hook up with?

George loved nasty whores. Bless his heart.

"[R135] the person I am referring to isn't just her client but her own brother who was on a path to self destruction. This just shows they probably weren't close."

R136, most addicts who spiral into self-destruction leave a trail of guilt-ridden people who failed to save them in their wake, and that includes lovers, spouses, close family members, doting parents, and yes, therapists. And yes, family members who ARE therapists. Because again, therapists aren't magicians or Fairy Godparents, they can't wave a magic wand and save an addict through skill and/or love... IF the self-destructive addict isn't willing to do what it takes to save themselves. Because therapists don't save people, they help the people who want to change save *themselves*.

Like I've been saying on the Marilyn Monroe thread - loving and being loved doesn't save people from addiction, or mental illness. Everyone likes to think it does, but it doesn't.

R136 if you knew anything about the field you would know that a family member is the last person who should be providing psychological help to someone.

R137 out of curiosity does it assess the incident where he fell out of a moving vehicle onto a freeway? It seems after that which was about 2013 things hit the point of no return. His PR never really addressed it.

R143 that was such a crazy incident! I remember hearing rumors that George had some sort of slight brain damage from the incident and this did not help matters. Also, there were rumors this was part of a long line of suicide attempts.

A sibling can’t provide therapy to a sibling. They can’t be impartial and may even be wrapped up in some of what the person needs therapy for. I’m a little shocked that there is a poster thinking a relative should have counselled GM.

Then in 2014 the paramedics at his place trying to stabilize him for about 7 hours before they could get him to an actual hospital. Guessing that’s what has come out as being found in a bathtub unresponsive. I think he went off to that Swiss rehab shortly after.

Also curious about what prompted him to turn on Andrew ridgeley in the final years. Andrew certainly made no mention of a falling out in his own book that came out in 2018

Sounds like he was ready to go long before he went.

R145 i understand she can't counsel him because it is a conflict of interest but she could have intervened by getting him the help he needs or closely shadow watching him. The man's life was a huge mess and he probably needed intense psychological evaluation and treatment.

R149 George was incredibly wealthy and did not allow anyone to interfere with his drugs, his orgies, his whores, his "lifestyle." Like most addicts, he cut anyone who tried to stop him from doing drugs out of his life. He was wealthy enough to be surrounded by enablers. Remember how hateful he got with Elton John who just hinted he needed help???

Also, as far as I recall, George was much closer to the sister who died. There might have been a reason he wasn't as close to the sister who was a therapist---she likely did try to help him and call him on his bullshit at once point, and I'm sure that wouldn't have been well received.

R149 r136 r133 r118 r75 r82 (etc) - I see Rose is still posting. Why does any George Michael thread get naïve fraus all over it.

"[R145] i understand she can't counsel him because it is a conflict of interest but she could have intervened by getting him the help he needs or closely shadow watching him. "

R149, you seem absolutely determined to refuse to understand how this "help" works, and AGAIN, it's not magical, the addict has to be willing to change for the better and help themselves. If George didn't want to change his life or quit drugs, no family member, no lover, no therapist, no therapist, and no person who loved him, could have saved him. NOBODY can save an addict from themselves, except the addict!

All the sister could have done was to help him to the best possible rehabilitative resources, IF he'd ever been willing to get clean.

R152 who the fuck is rose?

Let's get back to the issue at hand. Is there anyone here who can give us excerpts like our beloved Biography Book Troll used to?

When is the new book for sale on Kindle (US)? I could read it and report back.

The book is out now. I am reading it.

Thanks R157. I didn't know it was out. Bought it on Kindle! (And 2 other GM biographies!) Looking forward to reading tonight in bed! That's the only way I'll ever have GM in bed!

157 Thanks, did you mean George Michael: A Life by James Gavin?

Please share the juiciest lines with us R157.

You’re clearly new to datalounge Rose. R152

Who is also [R149] [R136] [R133] [R118] [R75] [R82] (etc)

James Gavin ravaged my hole with his big dick.

If you go on Amazon you can read the first chapters for free via the ‘inside look’.

R163

In your gin sodden dreams pal....

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Oleta Adams cover was first time one understood "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me"....

r165

He’s quite the cabaret cocksman.

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Yep, he’s drinking. He isn’t going to be around for much longer if he doesn’t get his shit together. He’s too old for this.

R170 How do you know he’s drinking?

I believe Kenny loved him much more than Fadi...

Fadi's a terrible actress and I don't anything he says. Kenny and George had a real relationship. I think Fadi was just paid to keep George company and clinged around hoping to get money. I don't think George ever took it more than an arrangement.

R173 Kenny is a golddigger just like fadi. The difference is that Kenny dosent look like a rough trade. Kenny is the kept boy that looks like the altar boy. Basically presentable than fadi.

Kenny looks like a relative of Lens Dunham. Shit!

Read the latest bio on GM, and you will read what a fucking nightmare Fadi has become after the death of GM

I think Kenny looks amazing for his age! He is older than George right? Considering his age, K looks wonderful, still handsome. I'm impressed by how good he looks and shocked by so many saying he looks bad. However, his impressive looks say nothing about his character.

I just started the new book on Kindle, and so far what I'm getting from it is that George's father Jack was an emotionally abusive asshole, and George never got over some of the cruel things his father said to him, including years of homophobic comments while growing up. Also, the father, though hard working, as a slave driver to the mother, who had to work multiple jobs while also raising 3 kids and keeping house.

I'm more than halfway through the book (just got past the section about his performance at a Gay rights concert in DC in 2000, where he chides the crowd in attendance for not buying his albums after Faith). Though Gavin tries to make us feel bad for George and every so often he mentions how nice he can be and his secret charity endeavors, it's hard to warm up to him as he has such an ego, is unwilling to take any responsibility for his career mistakes/setbacks, and seems to be on self destructive trip.

I think the people commenting on how bad kenny looks right now are familiar with him from social media. I follow his gallery or maybe it is him on Instagram and there has been a significant change over a relatively short period of time in his appearance, the face puffiness and paleness etc. It’s not ageing people are complaining about - everyone expects that. The longer hair isn’t helping the issue either. Hopefully he is doing okay healthwise. Despite his questionable moves with his interviews to tabloids, which he knows George would hate, he seems like a fairly ok guy.

Too bad George didn’t live to see author James Gavin’s big dick.

Is this book worth the $30 or is it just a re-hash of what everyone already knows?

Why do people keep questioning Kenny's personality? He seems like an alright guy who actually cared about George. And it was George who left Kenny for that asshat Fadi who aided in his distruction. As for George, I love his music, have every album and attended every concert when he was in town. However, I don't get the impression that he was a very nice guy (generous - yes, nice -no) and that he had a huge, stubborn ego about his terrible choices.

GM was gay, gay, *gay*!

Yet another music video showcases that fact. That finger wagging at 2.54 gives game away, not to mention those dance moves.

R179 and r183 interestingly Simon Napier-bell’s book about wham and his time managing them portrays George as extremely untrusting, defensive, and uptight, and Andrew laid back and able to keep things calm. At one point Bell recalls thinking along the lines of wondering what the heck George must have endured in his family life to be so strongly that way at such a young age. That being said George was also carrying the whole thing on his own really and the others were barely musicians. I’m not even sure the back up singers like Pepsi and Shirley were actually used in the song recordings and there are apparently instances during live performances where Andrew’s electric guitar was not even plugged in.

So far all the excerpts of this guy’s book are just direct quotes from other past newspaper articles and interviews of the last few years - almost verbatim. Did he speak to anyone directly? I did buy it anyway though lol. Haven’t started it yet.

It makes sense though if a few people in his circle are starting to talk a bit. The NDAs that were apparently used aggressively while he was alive would either have run out or have less teeth now that he and his sister are both gone for a little while now.

I won’t be pleased if he interviewed fadi. He’s an incoherent meth head who can’t keep his stories straight about what was going on in the time surrounding his death and caused the family so much agony afterwards.

Bell was also very open about how George was 100% gay and frequented gay dance clubs and hung out with some very flamboyant characters etc. fine in itself but the record company machine went into overdrive to try and quell the rumours by setting up the Brooke shields thing and planting various stories and “interviews” to make George, throughout the wham days, seem like a real ladies man about town with the ladies. It was all a facade.

George and Andrew weren’t socializing much anymore. Andrew didnt care about George being gay but thought one of the club kids he was hanging out with her really odd. His drug issues were well on their way too.

* most of the club kids (not one of) ^

[quote]George Michael Was Addicted To GHB

Ish that a bad thing?

Honey, why schouldn't we all jussh get along...

I don't think you can get physically addicted to GHB. You can get addicted to meth and that's what he was.

I think he may have been addicted to cock too.

More like "frenulum"

He couldn't get enough of that...

You absolutely get physically addicted to GHB R190, it's horrible. A friend of mine used to be an escort and would take GHB for having the sex drive of a rough trade he was supposed to personify and keep his older but wealthy clientele happy (that meth and coke also bring but without the coke or crystal dick that would have rendered him unable to fulfill his job. So when my friend eventually got dependent on it, he would have to take it every three hours or else he would get the shakes, just like for alcohol. It's a very nasty drug.

Wow R194, didn’t know that. I only knew it’s easy to overdose on.

I finished the book. Overall a well-researched overview of his career but I felt the final section around his death could’ve been more fleshed out. Nothing new was revealed and nobody will know (with the exception of shady Fadi) what happened in his final 48 hours. I’m glad that his family/lawyers continue to release deluxe editions of his work. A box set of “Older” comes out August 12. It’s unknown whether they’ll ever release all of the unfinished material in the vault.

[quote]It makes sense though if a few people in his circle are starting to talk a bit. The NDAs that were apparently used aggressively while he was alive would either have run out or have less teeth now that he and his sister are both gone for a little while now.

I don't see how an NDA is enforceable once the person is dead. You can't defame a dead person, and the dead have no right to privacy. If people who knew George Michael aren't talking they may feel bound by personal loyalty or affection for him, but they are no longer bound by an NDA.

Yes r197. That’s basically what I already said

R196. Interesting that you said that. I’m only in the early stages of the book but poked around to different sections and realized that it was still going over well known areas of his life and years when there weren’t that many pages left. I felt disappointed. I only did that because I felt stuck in way too much detail of the Wham years that I already knew about and seemed almost plagiarized from other books I have read. The part I wanted to understand more and that I feel he has been promoting is what was going on towards the end. In a 400 page book it seems I will have to ready about 390 pages until I get there lol. I still don’t think he interviewed a single person himself. He recalls interviews that many of us have already seen. I will stick with it but part of me just wants to skip to the end and be done with it.

Not having followed George Michael closely since he was arrested in LA and he was forced out, I found the book worthwhile. Though also very sad and depressing given his drug use, sex addiction and his career decline as he would go for shock stunts to get attention rather than rely on his vocal talent.

everybody needs hobbies, r200.

What shock stunts? He seemed ashamed during and after many of these events.

Has any female ever stated they had sex with George in the early days of his career?

Like this attempt for a comeback hit, R202, though some do like it, but flopped in the US

R202 he usually went in British tv angrily defending himself about doing things like cotta hung in the Heath and stated it was part of his culture etc.

If the shame was there he wasn’t showing it.

Instead of getting needed help after the last drunken behind the wheel episode, he tried to get a lesser sentence by doing a mere 30 days of rehab which wouldn’t even scratch the surface of his addition problems. He was a pretty unapologetic drug user almost to the end.

When you get famous easily at 17, it plays a role in personality development. The paradox with George is he was probably a naturally sweet sensitive guy (why we get those pronouncements from friends and colleagues like McCartney etc) who was also part stubborn and controlling megalomaniac needing his way all the time because he had people doing his bidding from such a young age.

^ on British TV Defending cottaging

R203: Nope. People assumed Kathy Jeung did because of the I Want Your Sex video. Andrew said Kathy was deeply in love with him and would let him do whatever he want. He dumped her for Anselmo. But then I heard she was just a beard, so 🤷‍♂️

The YouTube algorithm sent me this GM live performance video. It reminds you why anyone cared.

Voice like silk. And so soulful.

And still gorgeous there. Before the meth and unnecessary brow lifts etc

R208 makes me feel like crying. So sad😢

Gay, gay, gay!

How anyone thought George Michael even with WHAM was anything else I don't understand.

R213: So hard to believe that video is 32 years old. It aged well!

I agree, R213. Same with "Too Funky". What a great time it was to be alive.

Didn't Kenny turn "straight?"

^ What are you talking about? I mean, he's clearly morphed into a lesbian.

R214

Linda Evangelista was 25

Naomi Campbell was 20

Christy Turlington was 21

Cindy Crawford was 24

^ Yes, but it wasn't the people who aged well, it was the video. He was so talented in different ways. Heartbreaking.

More about GM's Freedom video.

Of the male models in GM's Freedom vid, John Pearson still looks good.

Naomi had such a sweet face back then, now she looks always bitter.

It is nice to see this thread has acknowledged talent over his drug use.

And that nobody's denying his drug use or self-destruction. That's what fangirls of all ages and sexes do, say their idol was really a wonderful human being, and that all the drugs and underage victims either never happened or were somebody else's fault.

So yes, the consensus of the thread has been admiring of the talent, and realistic about the self-destruction.

Underage victims?! Wtf r224

R224 was prob referring to MJ fangurls. Def not GM!

Sorry, R225, I was trying to refer to the kind of fan idiocy we aren't seeing on this thread, but which is seen in so many discussions about celebrities. Here, people are appraising GM sensibly, but in your average internet celebrity gossip discussion, there's some idiot who will make farfetched claims that supposedly absolve their idol of everything.

Nobody's making those claims here, but well, they don't have to. GM never hurt anyone but himself.

She took the ghb in the hope that she would be 'raped' in a T room!

I've read about 20 percent of the book. Most of it is familiar territory for those who have read articles about GM for years, but there are some deeper details on the old stories. Like the studio session with Aretha Franklin and George for "I Knew You were Waiting for Me," she ordered ribs for herself and ate them in front of him. That much I knew and am still amused by. However, I did not know that when the ribs arrived in a newspaper, she sat the greasy ribs on George's lap!!!! He had to sit there with her greasy food in his lap and didn't complain. The book said when he stood up, his crotch was stained with grease!

That seems like a dominance-asserting move on Aretha's part, and one I wouldn't mind trying in my own life.

And Aretha's brother (a pastor) had to leave during the video shoot to score some blow.

In the book, George seems like he has some sort of personality disorder. He was talented and driven, but never happy. He wanted success, and the more success he got, the more it made him miserable. Even when things were going well, he was unhappy and dissatisfied. Also, he was angry a lot of the time and very distrustful of most people, even friends. Even close friends like Andrew, he could turn against without an real reason. He was generous but also petty and unpredictable and constantly burned bridges. He was lonely all the time, but he kept destroying his relationships. What would cause him to be that way? Did he have some sort of personality disorder or other trauma?

Oh George. :( I was a young Greek gayling with a similar upbringing (I also played soul/jazz music growing up) and I really related to him. While there are some things I love about being Greek, for a gay person back then it was a horribly oppressive, patriarchal, traditionalist culture, and I can only speak from my own experience and say that I also became a lot more withdrawn from others and resistant to criticism (or even just... anyone trying to step in and get me to open up). Always felt like I was a lone wolf and always felt like I was right. I also think being sexually repressed (by both my family and myself) and pretending to be straight for so long did lead to some unorthodox sexual habits and kinks. And yeah, a lot of drug abuse as well.

If I had the kind of money and beauty he had I probably wouldn't have made it out alive either. All the debauchery and mental health difficulties aside, his music is incredibly beautiful and will remain his biggest legacy. I knew he was gay from the moment I discovered him - found the 'Wham in China' video back cover and genuinely thought they were a couple, with the song titles sounding like covert gay sex imagery. Andrew is very diplomatic saying Wham was a 'celebration of our youth and our *friendship* and that's why it couldn't go on, because we grew up'. I definitely think there was something of a relationship there.

I would love to hear more from his planned but unreleased early 90s duets record, where he was taking on more of a producer role. Apparently there are some demos in the vault somewhere, he had planned collaborations with the likes of Seal, Janet Jackson, Sade, Stevie Wonder, Pet Shop Boys.

I would’ve loved a collaboration with Sade.

"That seems like a dominance-asserting move on Aretha's part"

Like Bill Cosby demanding that before his comedy act, the promoters round up a bunch of young women to sit and silently watch him eat curry.

That's the thing about being hugely successful, it allows you to be your absolute worst self, and it looks like that was a trap that GM fell into. But unlike some, GM's worst self didn't hurt others, only himself.

but he shit all over the sheets R4 at least Elvis was an easy clean up. Just flush

I also loved the book's brief discussion of the Faith album cover. I was just a kid when the album came out and the cover was so sexy and iconic and cool. I never really questioned it. But it is funny now to see it again and to hear the curious reactions that some had, saying the album cover looked like George was sniffing his armpit and enjoying the smell. :)

The Faith cover to me was just George smelling his sweaty armpit: WTAF?

I think R232 that GM's original "personality defect" was that he was gay, and that was the unspeakable sin in his Greek culture. He must have thought that fame would fix everything and make it go away but only to realize later in life that not only did it not make it go away but made it way worse and amplified as something he had to battle very publicly. I remember walking on the Champs-Elysées in Paris around 8am that day, and near that press kiosk reading on one of the tabloid headlines that he got busted in a public bathroom and had to call my boyfriend immediately because it was such of PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE that he was finally out. But not the way he would have wanted to get out.

I am intrigued by the suggestion that he OD'd on purpose. I think the timing of it was strange, he tried to kill himself before (when he jumped out of a moving car), and was really depressed. I bet his sister did the same.

The sad thing is if George were young now, the lovelies (his female fans) might have been attempting to become trans men so they could meet him "unexpectedly" in parks and men's bathrooms at night.

George Michael was addicted to WELL HUNG , MUSCULAR, MASCULINE- TOPS

Why did George go from being attracted to a versatile man like Anselmo to a top like Faddie? I'm curious.

Kenny was a top???????? What?

Does GHB turn tops into bottoms?

R247, Kenny gives vers vibes too.

That interviewer @ [R250] came down hard on George. GM handled himself well. He didn’t get rattled.

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